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Infopro
Junior Member   Posts: 19 Registered: 11/20/2003 Status: Offline
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 posted on 7/3/2004 at 03:03 PM |
Hey Shawn, what's this all about? You guys are over here throwing a party
and I wan't invited? 
Man, there's lots of juicy crap in this thread worth a few comments, but
the threads gone cold it seems, too bad.
@mhalbrook, you Sir, are still and idiot. And quite frankly, I'm starting
to believe you're actually Drak's younger brother put in charge while
Drak's off learning how to tie Vannessa's apron strings or something.
Would someone email me the next time there's some dissent about? I love to
discuss the MGMT model @ PN.
I'm just not sure how many more times they can bitch slap the community and
get away with it. LOL
Fenix it's coming, will you be ready? 
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Shawn
Administrator   Posts: 4608 Registered: 10/7/2002 Status: Online
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posted on 7/3/2004 at 05:32 PM |
Sorry bud... Duster started the thread and it escalated from there. No
one was invited, I guess they just ran across it or maybe "heard" about it
-Shawn
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Duster
Junior Member Posts: 32 Registered: 2/16/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/4/2004 at 04:05 PM |
Hi Infopro,
Feel free to comment if you like. I only posted of my banning so word would
get back to the community since the shadow government would not say
anything. I had been working behind the scenes with a few third party
developers and I though they were entitled to know that I was gone and
why.
It got interesting when idiot boy and crony came over here peddling their
lies. Idiot boy was amusing in that he defended his lies, as if the rest of
the world couldn't see through them. That's part of what makes him an
idiot. First, he tells the lies. Second, he expects they will be believed
when the truth is that they can be rapidly, almost instantly, revealed to
be lies. The crony realized that and backed out whereas idiot boy
persisted.
Third, once someone has been revealed as a liar, nothing they say can be
trusted.
If you feel the need to vent, we can always rake the coals and get the fire
going a bit longer. I'm both happy and busy over at MD Pro and have no
further need to discuss idiot boy or PN. Everything I had once hoped to
accomplish with PN I am doing with MDP. It is a much more refined and
polished product than PN and has real leadership, which communicates with
the community and is more responsive to it. It also has far more
programmers than PN does.
I'm on the developers mailing list and share my ideas with them. I
communicate as needed with the project manager, and almost daily, and no
one gets in the way of making improvements or contributions. Quite the
contrary, they are actively sought.
I was made a forum moderator without asking for it and I have access to
modify text on the site. I've contributed some changes that wil be
incorporated in the forthcoming release of MD Pro 1.07, due out within a
week or so. A long list of suggestions I had, many culled from the PN
forums, are already in MDP, eliminating the need to repeat hacks and fixes
with each new release.
Any PN user with a lick of sense would download MDP and at least take a
closer look. Many will switch over once they see the differences. After
1.07 has been released, there will be an accompanying article suggesting
why people might want to switch from PN to MDP.
I could register on the PN forums with another name and another e-mail
address. I have an unlimited supply of both and they can't ban all of them.
However, having installed MDP (I'd been keeping an eye on it for months) I
realize how much better a product it is and only wish I had discovered that
fact earlier. I'm leaving PN behind because it is inferior, both the
product and many of the people behind it.
quote:
@mhalbrook, you sir, are still an idiot.
Some things do not
change. One's intelligence level is usually one of those immutable
factors
quote:
And quite frankly, I'm starting to believe you're actually Drak's younger
brother put in charge while Drak's off learning how to tie Vannessa's apron
strings or something.
There is another option you had not
considered. Perhaps idiot boy is Drak's Mini-me
quote:
Would someone email me the next time there's some dissent about? I love to
discuss the MGMT model @ PN.
There is no management at PN. Perhaps you would care to discuss PN's
mismanagement model?
quote:
I'm just not sure how many more times they can bitch slap the community and
get away with it.
They have age and perceived size going
for them and not much else. The answer to this question may be found in
the future, especially as more people become aware of better
alternatives.
Idiot boy called me childish, as if that were an insult.Children have a
penchant for the truth. It is as adults that many of them learn to lie
(excepting about taking responsibility for their actions for some of them).
However, in that vein of childishness:
Post Nuke makes me puke.
MD Pro is the way to go
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Infopro
Junior Member Posts: 19 Registered: 11/20/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/5/2004 at 09:27 PM |
What's up Duster? 
I thought about the "mini me" thing, but didn't want to sound too rude. But
it really reads great when you say it that way! LoL!
Personally I would never go the route you've chosen but pulling out of the
pit down the road was certainly a good move.
I'm about to kill a few of my own PN sites forever, very soon.
What you describe you have going on at your new favorite CMS, is how I and
many others thought postnuke was going to be. Even saw glimpses of it at
times, but it was never meant to be. mhalbrook and the others choose not
to see what's happening, or they love whats happening, I can't decide. But
the fun for the many (read: community) it is long gone IMO.
There is a future for pn, this you can be sure. It may even be called
http://www.Postnuke-pro.com imagine that?
(you do the dig on any of these links... )
If you're really bored some night, take a ride over to the spot. (a bit OT
here.... maybe)
http://www.spotfans.com/
Controversy is way of life for some there. Is it about a TV show over there
you think? Or are the people making the comments, and starting the
flamewars for fun? Look close and see if there's any names that stand out
for you
You won't have to look too hard, he's the one everyone is attacking...
If he's not there starting trouble, you may find him over here http://www.elgonquin.com/roundtable/
You won't find him at http://thespot.com though, I think he's been banned.
(hmmm, lol)
No, it's not mhalbrook, it's not Drak, it's Harry.
Now, keeping in mind that Harry is still pulling all the strings on all of
these, and pn itself, it's no wonder all this crap is being allowed to go
on at PN. It's his own little soap opera. Always was.
Sadly, many like mhalbrook, are still players thinking they're doing
something positive. Like the rest, they'll come to see that's not the case,
it's only a matter of time. Wait till they don't agree on something and
mhalbrook refuses to compromise to Drak's bidding. He'll see the light.
(no offense to the guy who made the bible module famous)
IIRC Duster, you mentioned earlier in this thread about almost releasing
some code just before you got the boot. Unfortunately for them you didn't
get it out on time.
That's how the house was built in the first place and the reason for my
comments here and anywhere else as of late.
Many have offered up great code and or great support over the years and
were assimilated into the storyline of this soap opera along the way, most
have of course long been purged or walked, or maybe "written out" of the
show should we say?
OK, maybe that's a "Michael Moore" way of looking at things, but you do
have to wonder after all this time, why the many have become the few? Why
so much crap at something so small in the big picture of things? Why such a
closed model while saying how wonderful and open it is?
Because it is a soap opera. That's why. Keep watching those ratings though,
I hear they'll be killing someone next week live on the forums and we all
know that'll bring the ratings up for another few months....
:p
mhalbrook, at some point I assure you, you will know what I meant about you
being an idiot. Not one moment before.
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jstuckemeyer
Moderator  Posts: 577 Registered: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/5/2004 at 11:02 PM |
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Duster
Junior Member Posts: 32 Registered: 2/16/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/6/2004 at 12:53 AM |
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What's up Duster?
My spirits for one thing. Thank you for asking.
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I thought about the "mini me" thing, but didn't want to sound too rude. But
it really reads great when you say it that way! LoL!
You called the guy an idiot. I don't think calling him a Mini-me tops
that. Then again, saying he is an idiot is a statement of fact so maybe you
didn't consider it rude whereas referring to him as a Mini-me might be.
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Personally I would never go the route you've chosen but pulling out of the
pit down the road was certainly a good move.
To each their
own. It was a great move for me. I'm helping to develop MDP by way of
suggestions and refinements. All the obstacles PN presented are gone The
multitude of hacks and third party fixes aren't necessary because MDP has
many incorporated already and there will be even more with my
contributions. Already the next version in CVS and due out within a week or
so carries my mark. I'm doing everything I had hoped for at PN and much
more. It's a lot of fun.The stuff in PN (and other Nukes) that is so
confusing to beginners is absent or on the way out with MDP - it will be
gone from 1.07. Having made copious notes and fixes, I'm well prepared to
make things simpler to understand while also adding enhancements I learned
from others, including feedback from my site. I'm digging it.
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I'm about to kill a few of my own PN sites forever, very
soon.
I think you will find that true of a lot of other
people within the next year or so.
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What you describe you have going on at your new favorite CMS, is how I and
many others thought postnuke was going to be.
I had hoped
for it myself, but there was too much resistance right from the start. I
don't even feel like recounting it. I'll just say that only lip service was
paid to volunteers and there was never a committment to let them help in
areas that sorely needed help.
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There is a future for pn, this you can be sure. It may even be called
http://www.Postnuke-pro.com imagine that?
That is funny! Thanks for the laughs.They can't
handle a volunteer project well.They certainly lack the skills and sense
for anything beyond their mismanaged open source project. Perhaps they
should read Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing
One's Own Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments on the off
chance that it might do them some good.
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If you're really bored some night, take a ride over to the spot. (a bit OT
here.... maybe)
That t won't be any time soon. Thanks for
the link.
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Sadly, many like mhalbrook, are still players thinking they're doing
something positive.
Even Hitler thought he was doing
something positive. Other people had different opinions. The bad guys often
don't see themselves as bad guys. I don't think so, but you can't tell for
sure.
What they see as keeping the forums peaceful by banning any dissenting
opinion on their heavy handed rule, others see as oppressive. I stayed out
of all the discussions complaining about management and the moderators. I
had posted only a couple of times in the last month. When they locked a
discussion that was later unlocked, I posted the following one Friday
night:
"I know what you mean, Keith. With the way discussions have been deleted
from public view, other discussions locked, some of the moderators are so
anal retentive about stifling discussion on problems they cause that
they've had their sphincter sewn shut and Superglued to boot. It is a most
unhealthy atmosphere. I think it's time to clean house."
It was gone by the following morning so I reposted it. They deleted the
entire discussion.I then posted calling for their removal and was banned a
couple of days later (by Monday morning) .
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Like the rest, they'll come to see that's not the case, it's only a matter
of time. Wait till they don't agree on something and mhalbrook refuses to
compromise to Drak's bidding. He'll see the light.
(no offense to the guy who made the bible module famous)
Can Mini-me disagree with Big-me?
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IIRC Duster, you mentioned earlier in this thread about almost releasing
some code just before you got the boot. Unfortunately for them you didn't
get it out on time.
Yes indeed. As happy as I am now, that
might have stuck in my craw.
quote:
OK, maybe that's a "Michael Moore" way of looking at things, but you do
have to wonder after all this time, why the many have become the
few?
That's so true. As I've read of the history of some
Nuke CMS (many have a shared history), one can wonder where all the
programmers went. There were hundreds in the beginning forking from PHP
Nuke to PostNuke.From there, many went to Envolution and Xaraya and from
Envolution many went to MD Pro. PN has a few programmers, but mostly just
one, Mark West. If he should quit, PN .8 becomes vaporware and PN would be
dealt a fatal blow. I don't really wonder why so many programmers left and
why there are so few left.
PostNuke can implode for all I care. I've found in MDP and at MD all I had
hoped I would find with PN and didn't. The enthusiasm I once had for
helping PN has returned with a new target, one that knows how to make use
of talented people and gets out of their way rather than put obstacles in
it until the enthusiasm dissipates.
The thrill is back!
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Infopro
Junior Member Posts: 19 Registered: 11/20/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 7/12/2004 at 09:41 PM |
It's amazing to me that they'll delete a user without even a second
thought, but, they'll leave a broken HTML block up for weeks at a time.
(hostnuke ad)
Funnier yet is it's not a mistyped image URL, it's a dead hostnuke server.
Business must be booming Drak. You're single handedly making yourself and
postnuke look really good.
http://forums.postnuke.com/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file
=viewtopic&t=29605
I'm suprised this thread has not been deleted yet.
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hzink
Newbie  Posts: 3 Registered: 4/9/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/1/2004 at 08:21 PM |
You guys really need to get a hobby, or something.
Harry
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Shawn
Administrator Posts: 4608 Registered: 10/7/2002 Status: Online
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posted on 9/2/2004 at 03:43 PM |
I think they had a hobby in PostNuke, but it appears that it is now
MD-Pro.
Thanks for popping by.
-Shawn
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Infopro
Junior Member Posts: 19 Registered: 11/20/2003 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/3/2004 at 11:15 AM |
quote:
You guys really need to
get a hobby, or something.
Harry
Bite me you stupid, stupid man.
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Duster
Junior Member Posts: 32 Registered: 2/16/2004 Status: Offline
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posted on 9/4/2004 at 02:35 PM |
Some of us do have hobbies. I have a few and they don't include dredging up
a nearly 2 month old post to make an inane criticism.
Thanks for dropping by Harry. You have proved that PN has no redeeming
qualities at the top and that it is rotten to the core.
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