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Duster

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posted on 6/26/2004 at 09:22 PM

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I think he tries hard to help people.

So do i.

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I will agree that it is impossible for him to admit that he is wrong. Prolly got beaten up on the playground a lot as a child.

And probably deserved it.

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My biggest gripe about Michael is that he is a huge hypocrit. He thinks he can say anything he pleases, but when anyone calls him on it he simply deletes the post or the thread.

Is that ever true. When I made a post critical of all the deletions and lockings, he replied saying something about it being directed at him. When I pointed out that I was critical of any and all people who delete posts and that he had said he quit a few days earlier (before the post I objected to being locked was locked), he deleted his erroneous remarks and everything afterward. Of course, no apology was offered to me. He can barely admit making a mistake to himself. He certainly won't admit it to others.

Oh well, however mean spirited and ill intended his actions, he and Grizzly did me a favor. I was frustrated by the ineptitude of PN management and the pnCorps. I do respect Simon (Hammerhead) though. I wouldn't want anyone to misconstrue otherwise.

PS Shawn, thanks for letting the grievances be aired and discussed here. We know it couldn't happen at PN.

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posted on 6/26/2004 at 09:30 PM

It is nice to have a place to really say what needs be said. The only sad part was that said place was postnuke.com before Drak and his goons took over.

I wish Harry would clean house are restore the glory days. Until then ... MDpro!!!!

[Edited on 27/6/2004 by jstuckemeyer]

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Shawn

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 12:09 AM

It seems that Lobos is back posting there. How about the rest of you? Or have you lost interest now?

-Shawn

Duster

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 03:28 AM

Good for him if he had his ban lifted. I hope the others get their bans lifted as well. As for me, unless there is a change in management, there will likely be porcine aviators before my ban is lifted.

I had posted very little in the last month or so. For the most part, all I would do is go on communicating with some third party developers by PM and helping some people find answers to their questions, also by PM. I've communicated with nate several times over his projects and helped him with some ideas and bugs. Most recently it was Dynamenu. The PN community suffers by cutting me off from contact with him and others.

Some actions cannot be undone. I have ceased support for PN and will not provide any more to their developers. You might say that bridge has not only been burned, but has been nuked as well. There is no rebuilding it. There remains only the desolation they created.

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 03:42 AM

I'm still banned

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 04:14 AM

Duster, you know, I know and everyone else knows that there are three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth. Both of us have our own perceptions as to what happened, and any recounting of what the issue is will be tainted by that.

As to my comments about you not having much of anything to offer, your own words in this forum

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I became disenchanted with the people behind PN and withdrew my public support. You might have noticed that I hadn't posted much in the last month.

That is what I was refering to. You withdrew public support, so your banishment from the forums would have had no impact on how helpful you tried to be in the past. You were removed from the pnCorps Doc team because you weren't willing to let your work be published under the licence adopted for documentation. You were removed from the support team because you indicated you were not willing to adhere to the guidelines laid out for how to handle support questions. Regardless of your veiws on said guidelines, which were opened to discussion in the pnCorps forums, and were discussed by myself and Simone before that, you chose to not follow them, so you were removed from the pnCorps since those were the only two groups you were part of. Then, you chose to remove your submissions to the FAQ, with out warning I might add. In fact, when we restored the database backup, at least one of the items that was back wasn't even yours.

Since your removal from the pnCorps, you have made no constructive contributions in the forums, people have complained about your gruff, and bordeline rude, manner of response to myself and others many times, and you've been asked to be mindful of that, or to not post, I've had your posts on active monitoring for awhile. As I've said numerous times, I am aware that I sometimes come off gruffer than I mean to, and if something is said, then I will appologize.

As to rules not applying to me, I've told the other moderators to feel free to remove any post of mine they feel is over the line. We're all human, we will all make mistakes, and I'm no exception. I am aware that my personality and dedication to my views come off in ways I don't intend some times, and sometimes, even if I make a concious effort to self moderate how I say things, they're still taken wrong at times.

I do find it funny that your sarcastic humor, I'm not supposed to touch, or read wrong, but my sarcasm, is a problem.

Now to further address the bans, yes Drak removed Lobos' ban, none of the other moderators or memebers of the team supported it. None of us could understand why, or get any concrete reason for it. I suspect that there may be some support for the removal of AutoTHemes' ban after a period of time, but that remains to be seen. As to Duster & InfoPro, both have publicly withdrawn any support for PostNuke, so I see no point in restoring them.

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 06:59 AM

I know why Lobos was banned and it was complete unadulterated horseshit. In fact, I think Drak made it up because he had no bullshit code of conduct reason to ban Lobos. Drak dislikes Lobos because he too has been vocal in demanding pnManagement speak to the ftard rules adopted by the modertors. All Drak wants is to maintain his lock on the only advertising space permitted on postnuke. Its sickening.

I'm glad you guys pulled your head out of your ass long enough to remedy that enormous mistake. It would be nice if you demanded that Drak publicly apologized to Lobos, but you won't.

As for me, don't worry about it. I won't go out of my way to contribute to the forums again. I spent many hours reviewing and responding to questions from newbs only to be rewarded with a ban for publicly opposing the moderator goon squad for its unfair tactics and its dumb ass rules. I have nothing against you Michael, I think you are narrow-minded and bad for the community as a whole, but at least you try to justify your position. Drak can kiss my ass. Eventually Harry Zink will wake up and banish that piece of shit from Postnuke. You may find it interesting to know Michael that most of the time Drak was talking to me over ICQ and undermining the positions you were taking, he was asking me to sell his hosting to his customers. I tried it for a couple of days and its was crap - I couldn't even upload properly by FTP. Like I said, Postnuke is just a way to line Drak's pockets - nothing more.

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mhalbrook

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 10:48 AM

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It would be nice if you demanded that Drak publicly apologized to Lobos, but you won't.

When none of the big 3 will even speak to support the moderators decisions publicly, after repeated requests that they either back us up over ride us.

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I spent many hours reviewing and responding to questions from newbs only to be rewarded with a ban for publicly opposing the moderator goon squad for its unfair tactics and its dumb ass rules.

Wrong, you were banned, not for your opinions, but because of the way you behaved. You drug your displeasure over the decision in to several threads that it had nothing to do with. You attacked me personally for daring to not like the idea of the 3 forums that I said I didn't like. When I said that I mis-read one of them, you still persiisted in attacking my orriignal oppinion. Never mind the fact that I don't have final say on wether a forum is added or not, I don't have the power to add or remove forums. You interjected your .02 in to threads that concerned you not, some times drawing them off topic, for the sole purpose of criticizing myself or the moderators as a whole. Other people who voiced desenting views on the Annoucnement Ban are still there.
The fact of the matter remains, you not ONCE gave a logical answer to my reasons for the policy concerning announcements in the fourms.

Shawn

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 11:48 AM

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I'm still banned

Yes, but you are an ftard!

-Shawn

jstuckemeyer

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 12:08 PM

Ignorant wretch - its "a ftard"

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 04:39 PM

operator error

[Edited on 27/6/2004 by Duster]

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 04:53 PM

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Duster, you know, I know and everyone else knows that there are three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth.

Not to every story.Sometimes one side is the truth.

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Both of us have our own perceptions as to what happened, and any recounting of what the issue is will be tainted by that.

My side is verifiable as the truth. You came here telling bald faced lies about me that can be proven to be lies. All one has to do is use the search feature on the PN forums.

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As to my comments about you not having much of anything to offer, your own words in this forum

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I became disenchanted with the people behind PN and withdrew my public support. You might have noticed that I hadn't posted much in the last month.

That is what I was refering to.

Notice the word public, mendacious one. I was working behind the scenes with developers. I don't consider that public support.

That is a red herring however. Since when is it required that anyone support PN at all? PN has hundreds of users that do not help at all. They probably don't know enough to do so or maybe they just choose not to do so. They may be busy with their own sites and care nothing about helping other PN users with theirs. They may not have the time even if they had the inclination to help. Having focused of late on my own site, I know how time consuming it can be.

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You were removed from the support team because you indicated you were not willing to adhere to the guidelines laid out for how to handle support questions.

That's a lie, I was removed because you are a control freak too stupid to know what civil means. I pictured you frothing at the mouth in an apoplectic fit when you sent me those messages trying to bend me to your will.

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Then, you chose to remove your submissions to the FAQ, with out warning I might add.

Of course without warning. I'm not stupid. If I had given prior notice, I would have expected my permissions to remove my writings revoked, just as you had already revoked my access to the pnCorps forums without warning . No time was wasted in doing that afterward. I, however, had the decency to acknowledge my actions afterward.

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In fact, when we restored the database backup, at least one of the items that was back wasn't even yours.

I never claimed to have written all of it, just most of it. The fact that so much of it is missing is ample evidence of the truth of my claim.

Go peddle your lies elsewhere. Here you have been exposed as a liar. Nothing you say can be trusted. You are a proven liar. You have also demonstrated a low level of intelligence by expecting anyone to believe your lies. Tha tproves you to be stupid and an idiot (though not in the clinical sense). I thought you had gotten a little bit smarter by not coming back here, but your return to peddle more lies indicates I was mistaken. See, I readily admit when I make a mistake.
You are outsmarted and outclassed here and I have the truth on my side, oh ye of forked tongue.

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As to Duster & InfoPro, both have publicly withdrawn any support for PostNuke, so I see no point in restoring them.

Never mind what I said about working with third party developers, idiot boy.

Did you think I had forgotten the lies in your first post here? Where are those posts that support your claim? Only in your diseased mind. They exist nowhere else.

Why not ban all those other people who are not supporting PN? Maybe you should add to the guidelines "WARNING: if we think you are no longer useful to us, you may be banned. We only allow those we feel have value to offer us. When we feel they have no more value, they may be banned"

You shoud resign (for real, not just as a gesture for sympathy) and spend the time with a mental health counselor instead. It might do you a world of good.

Of course, first you have to admit that you have a problem, which is near impossible for you

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 05:13 PM

May as well forget it Duster. I've argued with Michael for months and he doesn't make any more sense than he did 3 months ago. He doesn't even read posts - he just rehashes the same BS over and over and over again. He doesn't even bother to acknowledge legitimate points like the fact that he can be beligerant and insulting on postnuke.com but when someone else engages in mildly uncivil conduct, they get banned.

Since you like big words Duster, try this favorite of mine. I judge Michael hebetudinous.

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 06:45 PM

I'm not trying to prove anything. I don't have to. He is the one that has come here spouting lies. All I am doing is exposing his lies, most of them. There are so many.

I looked up hebetudinous. It doesn't do him justice. It's like saying Hitler was unfriendly to Jews.

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 07:38 PM

Well that is where we differ. You think Michael does what he does with malice aforethought. I think he's sincere, but just misguided. Its just a shame that the community I've been dedicated to for years is the victim of his heavy handed justice.

Again, however, I don't dislike Michael - he just pisses me off. I don't like Drak. I consider him a complete whore who acts like a hog at the trough sucking money out of postnuke with his shitty hosting business. He doesn't contribute anything to postnuke so far as I can tell. Michael, on the other hand, does work hard to help ordinary folks in the forums.

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 08:24 PM

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My side is verifiable as the truth. You came here telling bald faced lies about me that can be proven to be lies. All one has to do is use the search feature on the PN forums.

Whatever you say Duster. You know as well as I do that we only recently set up the Moderators Only forum for questionable posts to be moved to. Your worst posts have been removed, and a search of your posts will turn up several where you've stepped over the lines of common courtesy, and when called on it, you try to hide behind humor. The fact of the matter is, your ban has been supported by moderators, developers and others. There has been no great public outcry over your banishment, of course, as you say, you've been gone for over a month from the forums and withdrew your public support anyway.

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Notice the word public, mendacious one. I was working behind the scenes with developers. I don't consider that public support.

Fine, you were behind the scenes, there is no reason that your access or lack there of to the forums needs to hamper that, only your attitude and brusied ego are doing that.

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Since when is it required that anyone support PN at all? PN has hundreds of users that do not help at all. They probably don't know enough to do so or maybe they just choose not to do so. They may be busy with their own sites and care nothing about helping other PN users with theirs. They may not have the time even if they had the inclination to help. Having focused of late on my own site, I know how time consuming it can be.

I hope you didn't hurt yourself with that massive stretch of logic there Duster. No one's saying that one has to help support PostNuke, however, if you're not going to provide public support and instead are going to try and stir up trouble, which is all you were doing in the last two posts you made, then you're not welcome. Plain and simple.

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That's a lie, I was removed because you are a control freak too stupid to know what civil means. I pictured you frothing at the mouth in an apoplectic fit when you sent me those messages trying to bend me to your will.

You were removed because you didn't like the policies and were unwilling to abide by them, my being a control freak or not is irrelevant. They were posted in the forums, you never chimed in on them, you didn't offer any constructive criticizm of them. Like it or not, people who are official representatives of PostNuke are held to a higher standard of conduct than the regular users. And the rules apply to me as well as anyone else. The other moderators are more than welcome, and in fact asked to remove any post I make that they think should be removed. I'm human, I will make mistakes, that's a fact of life. So don't even go on about the rules not applying to me.

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Of course without warning. I'm not stupid. If I had given prior notice, I would have expected my permissions to remove my writings revoked, just as you had already revoked my access to the pnCorps forums without warning .

Of course you could have still told us after you did it, rather than make us find out by sending people there to find info that was gone.

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I never claimed to have written all of it, just most of it. The fact that so much of it is missing is ample evidence of the truth of my claim.

Actually, that is evidence of not wanting to fight with you over it. You knew good and well that any submission to the documentation project, of which the FAQ was a part, was under the Creative Commons licence, with gives us the right to use it.

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You have also demonstrated a low level of intelligence by expecting anyone to believe your lies. Tha tproves you to be stupid and an idiot (though not in the clinical sense). I thought you had gotten a little bit smarter by not coming back here, but your return to peddle more lies indicates I was mistaken. See, I readily admit when I make a mistake.
You are outsmarted and outclassed here and I have the truth on my side, oh ye of forked tongue.

Personal attacks and name calling, I would think a person of your intellect would be above such childish tactics, but then we know better, it's par for the course for you.

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Never mind what I said about working with third party developers, idiot boy.

Never mind that you don't need forum access to work with the 3rd Party developers.

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You shoud resign (for real, not just as a gesture for sympathy) and spend the time with a mental health counselor instead. It might do you a world of good.

First off, My resignation was done in a fit of frustration at the management's lack of input in the forums where the issues were being raised. Had they responded, which I'm still ticked that they have made no public comments, then I suspect the bans wouldn't have even happened. I did not quit as an attempt for sympathy, nor do I have need of a mental health counselor. You should take your own advice though Duster. You think everyone is out to get you, they're not. You stepped over the lines one too many times, and you got bit. Plain and simple. it's not about your views, it's about your inability to raise your concerns with out lacing them with venom.

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 10:05 PM

Don't know whether to love you or hate you Michael. You seem to acknowledge that the bans were unfair and due to PN management's lack of dedication to the community, but you still serve them. Maybe you should have quit for an entirely different reason.

I suppose it says something that you are even here. The brotherhood of the banned shouldn't warrant any interest from the vaunted pncorps.

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 11:05 PM

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You seem to acknowledge that the bans were unfair

I acknowledge that the ban on Lobos was unfair, but I believe the other three were warranted. It was not about what y'all said, but how y'all said it. Your "sin", so to speak, was that you drug every topic I expressed an opinion on off to your own little crusade against the moderators. Just because *I* do not think a certian forums topic is a good idea does not mean that my opinion would be shared by the other moderators, or the people who make the final decision as to what is put in to place, yet you chose to use all 3 threads related to new forums suggestions to attack me and/or the other moderators for things totally irrelevant to the topic at hand. That is the type of thing that lead to your ban, and as I told you in the e-mail, while I don't oppose it, I did not request it.

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and due to PN management's lack of dedication to the community, but you still serve them.

No, I still serve the community, I do not, have not, and will not serve the management. The forums need to be moderated, plain and simple. The search function is virtually useless due to the way things have been managed to this point. Things will not get this out of hand when the .8 forums are rolled out.

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I suppose it says something that you are even here. The brotherhood of the banned shouldn't warrant any interest from the vaunted pncorps.

the pnCorps don't exist anymore, at least not as any sort of official part of the PostNuke structure, why I don't know. The only thing that's really changed is the name of the game, it's now pnTeams instead of pnCorps, everyone is still doing the same things we were when we were the pnCorps.

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posted on 6/27/2004 at 11:20 PM

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My side is verifiable as the truth. You came here telling bald faced lies about me that can be proven to be lies. All one has to do is use the search feature on the PN forums.

Whatever you say Duster.

It's not just what I say it's the verifiable truth.You don't have that going for you. I do.

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You know as well as I do that we only recently set up the Moderators Only forum for questionable posts to be moved to.

I don't know that at all. I was already out of the loop by then. No one told me about it.

Furthermore, this year I made a change in my posting style and posted in a gentler style, something even you acknowledged. It helped that I removed the guide from a hackers maillist on how to ask questions. I got tired of getting grief over something meant to be helpful and removing it removed a lot of it.

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Notice the word public, mendacious one. I was working behind the scenes with developers. I don't consider that public support.

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Fine, you were behind the scenes, there is no reason that your access or lack there of to the forums needs to hamper that, only your attitude and brusied ego are doing that.

That's not true at all. See below

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Since when is it required that anyone support PN at all? PN has hundreds of users that do not help at all. They probably don't know enough to do so or maybe they just choose not to do so. They may be busy with their own sites and care nothing about helping other PN users with theirs. They may not have the time even if they had the inclination to help. Having focused of late on my own site, I know how time consuming it can be.

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I hope you didn't hurt yourself with that massive stretch of logic there Duster.

Don't talk to me about logic, idiot boy. Stay with a topic you might have some passing knowledge of.

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No one's saying that one has to help support PostNuke, however, if you're not going to provide public support and instead are going to try and stir up trouble, which is all you were doing in the last two posts you made, then you're not welcome. Plain and simple.

There's your prejudice again. I objected to the lockings and deletions. A post I complained about being locked was later unlocked, vindicating my objection. Don't try to peddle your lie about dissention being tolerated because it was done without calling anyone names.

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That's a lie, I was removed because you are a control freak too stupid to know what civil means. I pictured you frothing at the mouth in an apoplectic fit when you sent me those messages trying to bend me to your will.

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You were removed because you didn't like the policies and were unwilling to abide by them, my being a control freak or not is irrelevant.

That's a lie and easily proven to be one since I made so few posts of late and none of them were against the rules.

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They were posted in the forums, you never chimed in on them, you didn't offer any constructive criticizm of them.

I'm not obliged to.

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Like it or not, people who are official representatives of PostNuke are held to a higher standard of conduct than the regular users.

That has not applied to me in some time. You saw to that.

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Of course you could have still told us after you did it, rather than make us find out by sending people there to find info that was gone.

Hey idiot boy, pay attention., I did tell you after I did it.

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I never claimed to have written all of it, just most of it. The fact that so much of it is missing is ample evidence of the truth of my claim.

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Actually, that is evidence of not wanting to fight with you over it. You knew good and well that any submission to the documentation project, of which the FAQ was a part, was under the Creative Commons licence, with gives us the right to use it.

But YOU did fight over it. You tried to get your way once again and contradicted yourself in the process. That happens quite often to liars. And you know that I refused to accept those terms and asserted my copyrights, but let's not delve in trivilalities. The point is that I withdrew what I wrote because of you.

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You have also demonstrated a low level of intelligence by expecting anyone to believe your lies. That proves you to be stupid and an idiot (though not in the clinical sense). I thought you had gotten a little bit smarter by not coming back here, but your return to peddle more lies indicates I was mistaken. See, I readily admit when I make a mistake.
You are outsmarted and outclassed here and I have the truth on my side, oh ye of forked tongue.

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Personal attacks and name calling, I would think a person of your intellect would be above such childish tactics, but then we know better, it's par for the course for you.

Nice try at redirection, but you have not addressed the lies you made above.YOU ARE A PROVEN LIAR. Saying so does not make me childish. I woudl rank petty vindictiveness on your part as being more childish.

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Never mind what I said about working with third party developers, idiot boy.

Never mind that you don't need forum access to work with the 3rd Party developers.

Actually, I do. Many are available only through PM. Nate is one of these.

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You should resign (for real, not just as a gesture for sympathy) and spend the time with a mental health counselor instead. It might do you a world of good.

First off, My resignation was done in a fit of frustration at the management's lack of input in the forums where the issues were being raised.

I already determined that it was a fit of temper, a call for attention, not a genuine resignation. I didn't think you could really turn down the power to oppress people.